Disallow avuncular marriage and cousin marriage. The reason I don't like to pick it is that the bonuses apply to my vassals and makes them much stronger. Lastly, pagans may, by decision, convert to the religion of a spouse or concubine of a different faith. Temporal gives us nice hat upon reformation, and is part of synergy dogmatic, divine marriage which does not work atm. Additionally, those defensive pagans who are tribal, may call forth Devout Warriors (without ). The strongest position for the faith is at the 867 bookmark, where the Tibetan Empire has fractured and Bn kings of Guge & -Tsang hold large areas of the Tibetan plateau under their control. Pagan religions retain some features when reformed, regardless of the features chosen during reformation. Eldership succession law is allowed. It's hard for me to rate a largely RNG mechanic highly. They keep access to county conquests and raids. Sacrifice action (unless Peaceful). For conquests Islam is way too OP if you're not a nomad. - can ask the leader of this realm to help convert the tribal leader's realm to the organized religion.Benefactor needs to be non-tribal, non-nomadic, non-theocracy (so you can't ask Pope for mass conversion . If you want internal stability, pick Hierocratic and enjoy your excommunications. Gurus. Dawnbreakers is underrated as a way to practice eugenics when combined with meritocracy. Incompatible with Sons Of Ragnarok and Invaders doctrines. Pont Valentr Press J to jump to the feed. Rulers can order subject to Take the Vows. AI looters prefer coastal counties. )Best religion for gold income as liege : sunni Due to the additional tax from holdings in counties without Muslim religion. Ilmen is also surrounded primarily by weak Suomenusko and Romuva pagans and is shielded by an ocean from the Norse until the Viking Age event triggers, giving plenty of time to solidify power. BTW, excommunications make king viceroys actually viable and not a PITA: you can excommunicate, arrest and execute a king viceroy whenever you like it, and appoint a new one. Dogmatic Nature + Unrelenting Doctrine is a pretty powerful combination as it gives a flat 10% attack bonus to all units as well as makes your religion MA always high meaning easier polythesising, not to mention the removal of pagan attrition from your reformed religion, allowing you to continue ripping pagan lands to shreds without melting. So I'm not a very big fan of Autonomous. C. Civilized/Religious Tax: The best Doctrine you can possibly pick. Please help with verifying or updating older sections of this article.At least some were last verified for version 3.0. The version without a religious head and Great Holy War becomes a heresy and is called the "Old" version of the religion. I mean making the enemy duke your vassal king through external inheritance? Aztec religion only appears in-game if Sunset Invasion DLC is in use. For example, the average/casual player is probably not going be aggressively bloodline stacking. Also I would totally put Survivors of Ukko higher. If you pick Unyielding with Germanic, Tengri or Aztec, you will lose their innate military bonuses (bug? actually that "pagan" religion in game is just the generic pagan religion that all pagans had before the "old gods" expansion. Rulers lose prestige when at peace for too long. If dawnbreakers would have divine marriage paired with something else than polygamy it would be tier 1. Matrilineal marriages are disabled. My guide was more aimed at the casual/experienced player rather than the hardcore veteran (hardcore veterans don't need guides/tierlists!). Rulers lose prestige when at peace for too long. Also, your heir will very often be past childbearing age by the time they take the throne which, combined with the fertility debuff for unlanded characters is recipe for trouble and at best costs you the genius traits in many generations. +15 vassal opinion. Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts. Great Holy War against a single disfigured child. Great work!!! Two mutually exclusive bloodlines can be created by this process. Pagan territories are usually significantly technologically behind all other cultures' territories, with the exception of Germanics having a tremendous lead in shipbuilding at the start of 867, as well as receiving said bonus after some time at the 769 start. Agnatic law is enforced, open succession law is unlocked. To help in the struggle against unbelievers, each reformed faith gets a single holy order. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Diviner read signs before a war to try to improve troop morale. AI rulers will try to convert their provinces. Warmongering: I think most of us are familiar with it, because unreformed Germanics and Tengri have it. This attrition only applies in provinces of the same religion as their ruler, so Germanic pagans won't lower their enemies' supply limits in Slavic territory. What options do you think is best for each, norse, slavic, tengri, etc? Edit: mixed it up, retaining matrilineal lines if you ever want to go back to male rulers will be trouble, not the other way around. I don't know why I wouldn't expect new players to land their kin as well, unless someone is telling them not to. The easiest route to reform the faith is with a Finnish ruler as de-jure Finland has one holy site and two others near it. This discussion is purely about game mechanics. Animistic effects. As for best leadership, it depends. Though, Unyielding isnt perfect. Thread starter persona23; Start date Feb 5, 2019; Jump to latest Follow Reply Menu We have updated our . The Short Reign relations modifier is three times more severe for pagans. I have an Ironman 867 Guge game on the verge of reforming the religion. It may not display this or other websites correctly. This shows another bonus from raiding culture; with the combination of Equality and concubinage, kidnapping male princes also allows for strong claims for heirs on raided lands, and the prestige of having noble male consorts for female rulers. Some Religions (Germanic) keep +30% Levies when they reform and will only loose it through unyielding. They also have access to two special casus belli: Most pagans have defensive attrition, massively reducing the supply limit for non-pagans invading their homeland. The faith is widespread in early starting dates, and some of the realms, such as Croatia, are already feudal rather than tribal. Priests cannot marry and cannot inherit. Animistic has same problems as unrelenting, it gives rite of passage event when reaching adulthood which has some flavour. You can marry your brothers to other Christians for alliances AND marry your sister for yourself. Jainism without doubt. When you login first time using a Social Login button, we collect your account public profile information shared by Social Login provider, based on your privacy settings. With Holy Fury, Zunists can raid after reformation, as long as the reformed faith does not have the Peaceful nature. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Igw2ec-Lp6c, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZVIEA1cbSo, UNITED STATES - The Cathar United States of Byzantium and Carpathia, https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/regional-livonian-mod.849150/. Bn is also unlocked by Jade Dragon, and Horse Lords allows playing of pagan nomadic rulers. Equality can be achieved with enough tech by the year 950+ . In my game as a Zunist multi-emperor, I reformed with Warmongering, so conversion is very slow (maybe 20 provinces are converted, whereas I controlled half of the map), but that doesn't bother me : revolts are rare, and my vassals are converting them bit by bit. Enatic law is enforced, open succession law is unlocked. Reformed religions lose access to subjugation wars, one of the fastest ways for pagans to expand. Agnatic, agnatic-cognatic, cognatic laws are restricted. He is a culturally Norse Germanic pagan but has a Slavic son. In 800 CE. Penalty to moral authority (-15%) and to mission. Reforming also provides access to the full set of feudal succession laws. I will explain at the end of paragraph. It got to the point where I was raiding not based on gold or number of holdings or artifacts or anything like that, but simply based on the size of the ruler's court; I figured it would give me more chances to capture folks for the sacrifices. Tribal Islam is up to the point of being overpowered. So if you like seeing dukes in the middle of other kingdoms take distant kingdoms and break out of their vassal king resulting in non stop dejure wars and infighting, then sure prepared invasions are for you (masochist). It's aimed at more of the casual/intermediate player. "IN THEORY" 95% of the time it works every time. Incompatible with Agnatic Clans, Harmonious, Equality, Polygamy and Meritocracy doctrines. However, all the random events based on traits (which drop relations by 15 for those without and raise by 15 for those with the trait) are the same, along with the end bonus of 100 piety and prestige and +15 to vassal relations for one year. With Monks and Mystics, Zunists characters may join the Hermetic Society. Diviner read signs before a war to try to improve troop morale. You have to get a popemon or autocephaly for it though. Crusader Kings is a historical grand strategy / RPG video game series for PC, Mac, Linux, PlayStation 5 & Xbox Series X|S developed & published by Paradox Interactive. Crusader Kings 2 ; Best Pagan mods for CK2 Best Pagan mods for CK2. However, the Sons of Abraham demon child event chain will create Zunist "witches", who can be married matrilineally or assigned as guardians to children with the Faith or Heritage focus. 1. Germanic rulers lose their retinue size bonus and now get penalties for raised levies like other rulers. The other side of the coin is that peace is seen as unbecoming. For best run: The High Chieftess of Kiev in 769 reforming Slavic to be Enatic Clans is a stupidly fun run that I've been doing a lot of. If allowed to spread their religion, they will in time ask the ruler to convert. I think that'd be the best. Finding one of the few Hellenic characters, and having them educate your child or granting them a title: This page was last edited on 16 August 2022, at 07:19. You trade some of your offensive/defensive capability for stability, faster conversion, and Great Holy Wars to combat Crusades and Jihads. Fun and flavourful doctrines or flat bonuses (infidel tax and monasticism) . I've gained several kingdoms w/o trying to; I was just trying to get their bloodlines in my main line. This is in addition to the pagan homeland attrition penalty, which forces the large numbers of troops needed to invade a defensive pagan home territory to face severe attrition for the duration of any siege. Characters get a Rite of Passage when reaching adulthood. Full status of woman law is enforced. And isn't Civilized like a dream? Rulers can choose to gain sympathy with another faith by decisions. Invaders are only here because they have 3 shitty doctrines that are good when they are packed in one slot. that's why those two are different Branches of Christianity, there's big enough difference on some of the theological matters. It's a bit of a challenge but shouldn't be too much for any player with a bit of experience. First off I didn't do any exploits. All rights reserved. However, its 10% bonus attack for all our troops so it is not that bad I guess, just weird. It has its downsides because it makes AI more aggressive and incompetent AI can tank our MA very hard. Marry 4 women with good traits, then pick the best kid that pops out. AI rulers are less likely to start wars, plots and factions. Also offsets short reign. Totally fine for religions without 30% levy bonus, but if you want to expand then other natures are better. Penalty to moral authority (-15%) and to mission. Most pagan faiths permit female temple holders regardless of gender law; exceptions are noted below. Full status of woman law is enforced. it isnt meant to be celtic pagan or any pagan religion in particular. (Especially after mass conversions.). Meritocracy is just delayed open succession after we get to Primogeniture law. The last playable Germanic ruler available is Arnfast of Vsterbotten, who dies in 1309. You hardly get Short year penalty with Imperial succession. Enatic clans is still good because vassal duchies wont merge every generation but they're infinitely worse than agnatic clans. Rulers who are neither at war, nor raiding, nor bound by an active truce lose a significant amount of prestige per month. Ship maintenance reduced to 10%. The selection of Leadership style determines the type of religious head. Patron Deities, Ancestor Worship. In particular, if Paderborn is held by a Germanic ruler and a Christian ruler occupies its temple of Irminsul (which normally occurs in the Charlemagne DLC's scripted invasion of Saxony by Karl of West Francia), all Catholic and Germanic rulers will receive a pop-up that the Catholics have burned the holy site of Irminsul, causing the Germanic faith to lose 10% moral authority for 10 years. Monasticism is definitely top tier, as it allows you to make any succession law work the way you want, not to mention the flat learning boost. What, in your opinion, is the best aim training? Unyielding is a must for small Pagan surrounded by powerful Abrahamic realms. The only realm following this faith is the Zunbil Satrapy in western Afghanistan. Rulers with Zunist holy sites in their demesne may also secretly convert to the faith. +10% Attack for all units. Which religion is best? Reformed religions gain access to holy wars, usable on any target of a different faith (including other pagans). Information, Frequently Asked ), creating negative synergy (though you can combine Unyielding with Animistic but dont cause Animistic is awful). Sky Burials. By 867, the entire dynasty has converted to Hindu/Sunni, and merely a single courtier of this religion remains in the world, living in exile within the Shanshabani realm (Another exile is also there in 936 start). PegaluxX. AI rulers will only convert same-group provinces. Note that Germanic pagans have as a holy site the county of Braunschweig, and taking that county will trigger the Catholic crusades (as well as the formation of every Catholic Holy Order but the Knights Templar) at the time that you take Braunschweig, so long as the year is 900 and the province is Christian. Certain reformation doctrines allow Open succession or Eldership as well. Enatic-cognatic law is available. Have fun dealing with retaining those. It is not normally playable (even with Ruler Designer), but can be played using mods or by exploiting loopholes. Religious Control Mandate law is unavailable. If you've ever wondered about in CK2, how do you change religion, now you know! Seers (court chaplains) have a significant penalty to the chance to convert provinces on top of their likely-lower moral authority, and vassals cannot be demanded to convert. AI rulers only try to convert provinces if zealous. Pagans follow the old polytheistic traditions, spurning the Abrahamic and Indian religions' talk of a segregation between physical and spiritual realms in favor of polytheistic physical gods.. Pagan non-nomads normally requires the Old Gods or Holy Fury DLC to be playable. You can take Temporal with AV. I disagree here. I picked Daring the first time, which allows prepared invasions, which is useless for the Roman Emperor. They then become the "Reformed" version. Pagan religions may gain a religious head and a Great Holy War (Crusade CB) if they reform. Holy Fury Pagan Reformation Tier List & Discussion, Holy Ghost Spirit isnt being talked about enough, Both my character and Christianity are based. The African faith is followed by the peoples of sub-Saharan Africa. You can join the Hermetics (without unpausing) via temporary conversion to an appropriate religion (eg. While its holy sites are in locations which are easily taken, most of them lack a temple holding which means holy sites only give half of the usual Moral Authority, forcing Tengri rulers to either build temples or take control of all holy sites. Also, as tech advances, rival feudal realms can take advantage to construct better buildings for greater economic and military power. If fighting unreformed pagans is a priority after reformation, the Unrelenting doctrine or the Tengri equivalent (Eternal Riders) is recommended. So is it bug or is it not a bug? For Power, Divine Marriage is average. Due to the Germanic faith's long and combative relationship with Catholic western Europe, there are a number of unique events between them. Duke-tier religious heads common for all realms. + Bloodthirsty Gods, Seabound, Unrelenting. Concubines not allowed. No female temple holders. This means you may invade territory held by another faith, but still gain the defensive bonus so long as the battle takes place upon land of your faith. JavaScript is disabled. Proselyting - ??? Posted January 4, 2019. I like this feature but it's tough to convert others outside your realm. All Offensive pagans also gain a +30% bonus to their levy sizes, making up for likely lower technology and smaller fort holdings. If there is levy size & attack bonus from unreformed religion or morale bonus from Animistic doctrine in first doctrine slot, it is lost. Partially redundant with Children of Perun doctrine. Pagans tend to be powerful in early years but weaken as time passes for several reasons: There is hope, however: should the Pagan faiths become reformed, the faith's survival is almost set in stone. The religious head can decide upon death to venerate a given ancestor, in a process similar to sainthood. For tribal pagans, reforming makes it easier to raise tribal organization. Peacefull is OK, but greatly reduces your ability to expand. The religious head can decide upon death to. This allows other pagans (especially Tengri and Germanic pagans) to fairly easily invade other pagans with conquest and subjugation casus belli. Allows building the Sacrificial Altar feature of Great Temple, Great Stone Circle, Aztec Pyramid and Stonehenge, as well as the Grand Amphitheater. Penalties Table View Card View Seabound is just useless without Daring and picking these two doctrines is silly (unless we are not getting bored with constant raiding on our foes). When you finally select to reform the religion, you will have to choose from many Natures and Doctrines which ones will represent you. I can't disagree strongly enough with this. There are 6 Natures you can choose from, all with their advantages and disadvantages: Peaceful Bonuses +3 Demesne limit. It was the first game where I gave any titles to my family. Our domain can only grow overtime and we can develop our provinces without fear of it being lost to gavelkind. Norse: Cultural one, then either agnatic, stability or blood sacrifices, depending on playstyle. All defensive pagans have access to Ancestor Worship & Choose Patron deity decision. Also unrelenting is heavily underrated. I like Romuva and Suomensusko the best but I don't have much experience with Bon but I think I'll try them soon. It's included in Children of Perun and Survivors of Ukko btw. It says we can spend piety to improve curtier abilities but we can do it once per 5 years and can improve stat for one point. Civilized already removes raised levies penalties to vassal opinion, and Hellenic can raid already. Despite similarities between autonomous reformed paganism and Dharmic religions (followers of both has religious branch trait), the former still needs to deal with heresy (old pagan religion), while the latter has no heresies. - Discussion. AI rulers only try to convert provinces if zealous The only issue is there is a bug (Snow Crystal pretty much confirmed it's a bug) such that the religious head can never be venerated. "Converting" for a day so you can join a society seems pretty gamey to me - i.e. No females in the council. But, aside from Germanic/Zun, they are identical, except for slightly different flavor text and Slavic "Jarilo" event. I haven't reformed a lot of pagan faiths, but when I do reform a pagan faith, I tend to pick the same four options every time (Unyielding - Enatic Clans & Unique - Autonomous). Out of all the Succession Doctrines, Meritocracy is probably the safest. This applies even when one is the attacker, and on territory held by another lord; Only the dominant religion of the province you are standing upon matters. Once your a blob as the Roman Empire, you can stamp out any realm only with retinues/holy order and need not raise vassal levies, making civilized doctrine kind of useless). Flat bonus to levy, garrison size and moral. I usually take unyielding but in the future I think I'll go with Proselytizing. Reforming the religion will cause a schism in the pagan faith. But you're right, in some situations it's really powerful. Thats all for now! If we pick it as germanic, tengri or aztec we will lose any troop bonus that we couldve inherited from unreformed religion. Severe for pagans to expand then other Natures are better 's aimed at casual/experienced. 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